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How much whey should I take? This question is asked on bodybuilding forums so often it may be the most popular supplement question of all. It seems a very straight-forward question to most but it is actually a fairly strange one. A strange question, that is, but not a surprising one since whey has been increasingly medicalized as a nutraceutical, even beyond bodybuilding circles. The simple fact is, however, that whey is simply protein, and protein is food. Asking how much whey protein you should take is like asking how much Excedrin to take. You ask how much Excedrin to take because you want to know how much of the medicine it takes to get rid of a headache and how much is safe. People ask about whey protein for a similar reason. They expect it to pump their muscles and increase their performance. Many seem to think there is actually some sort of anabolic effect beyond that of an effective strength training or bodybuilding program with proper diet and protein intake. This is certainly not surprising given that whey has been so hyped by the bodybuilding supplement market. But it goes even further. Specifically, milk by-products are big business. Whey has been an absolute bonanza in those terms. There are never-ending debates about which is the better of two milk proteins, casein or whey. Each of these proteins has been the focus of a great deal of industry sponsored research. Well, did you know that a company once tried to develop fish protein into a protein supplement product? It's true, but it didn't work out. It was fishy! Nobody is going to debate the superiority of fish protein supplements any time soon. That is, they are not going to debate it until there is money in it. Then we will see fish protein supplements being compared with casein, whey or just milk. The point is that as long as there is commercial interest then people can be fooled into debating the pros and cons of anything. You can be sure that nobody will ever debate the pros and cons of supplements coming from poultry by-products or powdered hog chitterlings. Still, does all of this really mean there is a big problem with whey protein? The problem is that whey is such a convenient way to get protein for strength trainees and bodybuilders that many feel it is easily abused. Some feel that it is not good to get too many "liquid calories" and others argue that whey is not a complete protein. Well, although whey is very easily and quickly absorbed, only the liquid you mix it with is liquid and the protein itself is treated by the body like any other protein, albeit a quickly absorbed one. As for being whole, whey is most assuredly a whole protein. Milk, in fact, contains two whole proteins, casein and whey. Both of them are great sources of protein in their own right, providing a full complement of essential amino acids. Why Worry About Whey? Keep in mind that the need to always ingest whole proteins or to do what used to be called protein combining in every meal is no longer considered important as long as one has a varied diet with plenty of different protein sources. But with so many athletes, strength, and bodybuilding trainees seeming to get the bulk of their protein from protein shakes, you can see how this would concern some people. But let us be reasonable and not be swayed by how whey protein is marketed. Remember that when whey is used in a food as an ingredient it is a food. Only when it is placed in a jug in powder form does it become a hyped up dietary supplement or nutraceutical. Whey, regardless of how quickly it is absorbed, is a food like any other food and can be treated as such. Would you get all your protein from steaks? You probably would not if for no other reason than steak is too expensive to eat exclusively. In general we should get protein from a variety of different sources. Whey can be one of them. When someone is consuming 15 scoops of whey a day or getting almost all of their protein from whey, it's easy to understand why others would question this. But even then there is no huge danger involved in it except, perhaps, a concomitant lack of dietary fiber, which might predispose some to diverticulitis, constipation, etc. Nevertheless, the kind of dietary habits that would lead someone to consume such that much whey tend to come with a general lack of variety and unhealthful habits in general. It's not the whey, it's what the whey further represents. Yet, whey is viewed almost as a drug by much of the general public. There are stories of people being told not to "take" more than a tablespoon of whey a day! This is how far the misconception can go. Much like creatine, whey has been lumped in with anabolic steroids in the mind of many a consumer. Nutrition Information Versus Alternative Medicine The problem with whey is part of a bigger problem in what passes as nutrition information today. That is, most information claiming to be nutrition information is NOT about nutrition but about complementary and alternative medicine. This, typically, is information concerning the "healing powers" of certain nutrients or food. It must be understood that good nutrition's ability to keep us healthy through it's biological actions in the body is not the same as nutrition's ability to cure or treat disease. That is CAM, not nutrition. Pre and Post Workout Nutrition and the Window of Opportunity Many, of course, have not let go of the over-hyped and over-engineered pre and post-workout nutrition concepts. The "window of opportunity" still gets a lot of discussion and the recommendation to eat protein soon after a workout has to do with this so-called window. During a certain time after a strenuous workout, your muscles are "primed" to take on nutrients such as amino acids. The idea is that taking in protein soon after a workout will result in better and faster protein uptake. This will in turn lead to faster recovery and more protein synthesis with less protein breakdown. Those who use the bodybuilding lingo would say you'll be more anabolic and less catabolic. After resistance training protein synthesis is elevated and it is postulated that protein intake after a workout will further increase this protein synthesis. The window of opportunity leads to many different recommendations but the most popular one is to take in protein within an hour. However, the window itself is variously reported to be one hour, two hours, three hours, and even four hours. Furthermore sometimes the window is described as occurring exclusively after a workout and sometime the entire period around the workout. So you can see that this is not a well defined area. There have been lots of studies concerning protein intake before and after workouts with mixed methods, types of protein (oral AA solution, whey, AA and carb solution, etc.). Some studies have shown more benefit to pre-workout protein than to post-workout so although originally the emphasis was on the benefits of post-workout protein intake the debate shifted to which is better, pre or post. Even though so far it seems that there is a greater benefit to protein intake pre-workout in the real world it is unimportant unless you are somehow unable to do both. These studies all have some severe limits. The most oft-cited one is that they are mostly done of FASTED subjects. Net protein balance is influenced by food intake throughout the day, of course. And if you work out after starving yourself then of course the pre-workout nutrients are going to be more important. Eating protein from whole food immediately before a workout would result in some of the food still being in your stomach and having a bunch of food in your stomach is not conducive to a good workout. However, it is quite possible to ingest protein immediately pre-workout if you use a whey protein shake. This is one of the major advantages of whey. Pre-workout, however, does not necessarily mean half a minute before you begin working out, however. Ideally, whey should be consumed around 15 to 20 minutes before the workout begins. The way people do this is by ingesting either a dilute whey solution or an free amino-acid solution. Most people opt for whey as it is more cost effective although many people will tell you that free amino acids are better. In reality there is no reason to spend extra money on an amino acid powder and it is not true that free amino acids are always absorbed faster and more completely than whole proteins. In fact, peptides, which is what whole proteins are broken down to, have more absorption sites than free amino acids and when free amino acids are used competition for uptake occurs which limits the absorption of some of the aminos. As long as your whey shake is dilute enough then you should have no problem drinking it, waiting around 15 to 20 minutes, and having a good workout. For post workout any protein should be fine, including whey, unless you will not be able to eat again for a long time. Then, theoretically, some other would be better as it would absorb more slowly. Although you may have heard about the difference between fast and slow proteins, remember that all protein sources absorb slowly compared to whey. For the casual exerciser with a balanced, healthy diet and adequate protein intake there is no reason to worry about pre and post workout nutrient timing. But for those wishing to build lean mass or to build muscular strength (or both of course) it is worth it to consume protein before and after workouts. Still, the hype over nutrient timing has been quite over-done, with some nutrition experts practically building their nutrition careers over the "intricacies" of nutrient timing, much of which focuses on protein. The idea that success hinges on protein intake around a workout is ridiculous and the overall diet is much more important than focusing on that one period of time surrounding a workout. Whey and the Poor Appetite However, there is an often overlooked bodybuilding and strength trainee. This trainee is very slim and would be labelled an ecto-morph and a hard-gainer by most bodybuilders. Usually male, he has a very poor appetite, even when training heavily. Such trainees are usually told to slowly build up intake by force-feeding themselves and that eventually through taking in more food and the effects of training their appetite will increase so that they can take in adequate nutrition to further their training goals. Although this is true for those with truly light appetites, any increase in appetite from overeating is temporary. Liquid calories that are protein-dense, for these trainees, are a very good thing. This will help them make up the deficit in their diet and to help keep their appetite up in general. But when it comes to whey, there can be a glitch. Whey can actually suppress appetite. This can be somewhat overcame by the addition of fat and carbohydrates with the whey. But it is best to use whey as a means to take in protein calories when one would normally not be eating. For someone struggling to meet their caloric needs, the three hour period around a workout with no food intake is not really something they can afford. It is not about nutrient timing but it is simply about the practicality of getting the food and calories one needs. What often happens is a trainee lets this kind of hype about nutrient timing deflect their attention from really improving their diet in general. And since most of the conversation revolves around dietary supplements, including protein shakes, amino acid solutions, and fast carbohydrate sources it's even more attractive as so many people would like to believe that a supplement will make up for lazy inattention to a proper diet. The most important criteria to consider, when it comes to training, is that criteria which improves, directly or indirectly, your performance. If consuming whey is necessary in order to make up for a short-fall in your overall protein intake then do not be afraid to use whey. But if you think that whey will magically result in increased physical performance, faster lean mass gain, and greater strength, you have been mislead. One other red herring that reared its slimy head a few years back in most of the bodybuilding forums coincided with widespread panic about "insulin spikes" and the fear that the amino acids from whey would be delivered faster than can be utilized, thus resulting in glucose conversion which will be stored as fat. The idea was that whey can be associated with an insulin spike. And insulin spikes were associated with getting fat. So whey would make you fat. Of course, the only people worried about whey making them fat were already overweight or at least having trouble not gaining unwanted fat. Despite all the marketing and hype, whey is simply a protein source, albeit a very good and convenient one. It is best to view it as such. Although it is true that whey is a great source of fast protein for athletes, it is also a source of complete protein for everyone else. There is no reason to view whey as having magical properties other than it's nutritional role as a food and there is certainly no reason to fear it. |
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